[Shaun] Previously on 90 Day Fiance: Before the 90 Days
The Couples Tell All...
Loren, in that 11 months,
have you had sex with anyone else?
During the one week we were apart,
I did have sex.
-[Vanja] Oh. -With the girl that gave me gonorrhea.
You went back to her?
[Matilda chuckles]
[Tigerlily] Sunny, do you want Veah
to be Muslim?
For future, yes, I do.
So I need to make her educated,
and automatically she will
find the peace in my religion. And she will change it in time.
Sunny, I'm never converting to Islam.
So to protect me, you ended things. Great.
It comes off like you might have a girlfriend
-or something. -Boom.
No.
Well, I don't know, but she reached out to me.
Ooh.
[Niles] That was not cool.
Why did you... Why did you pull that stunt
in front of my father?
You know what people down South do
-to people who do that kind of stuff? -[Adnan] What?
[security] Niles, Niles, Niles, step back.
[Niles] Adnan.
It's not nice to meet you.
You better hope I never see you out in public.
[Adnan chuckles]
-[Niles] Vanja. -[Vanja] I got you.
[Niles] I'm sorry you had to see that.
[Vanja] Listen, in a situation like this,
you should not allow yourself
to be so irritated by someone
who doesn't deserve your attention.
He showed his true colors. He showed who he is.
You just move on.
His opinion, irrelevant.
That's it. You're good.
That brought me down to a place I don't like being.
-I'm never gonna think about him again. -[Vanja] Mm-hmm.
Adnan the bitch ass.
He lives down in Texas.
Woe unto him if he runs his mouth, like,
to a Texan the way he ran his mouth to me.
Parts of him would be found.
Parts.
Four, three, two...
All right, now I want to loop back in
with Vanja and Bozo.
Vanja's cousin Sanela is back with us again, too.
After the breakup, Vanja went back
on the dating apps and met Josko.
From the start,
there was definitely no lack of chemistry.
But they hit some challenges.
So let's explore where this relationship is at today.
Please welcome Josko.
[Josko speaking]
Nice to meet you.
[laughs] He's like, upgrade.
[laughs]
I'd like to ask Josko, have you met Bozo before?
Okay. Bozo, Josko.
Josko, Bozo.
[in Croatian]
[in English] Okay. I guess that was cordial.
-All right. -[Vanja laughs]
[Shaun] Uh, Josko, how do you feel about
how Bozo treated Vanja?
Wouldn't even kiss her
when she first came to Croatia.
I totally agree with him
speaking about her
betrayed and let down.
Definitely unfair.
Definitely from my standpoint, that is something
Vanja or anybody in this world don't deserve.
I really don't understand, uh,
what was going through Bozo's head.
[Shaun] Okay. Well, the last time we saw
you and Vanja, you had broken up
and there was a question
of rekindling the romance.
Are you together today?
[Shaun] Ah, okay.
Well, Josko, I want you to see
what Vanja told her cousin
shortly after your breakup.
[Vanja] We had so much fun.
We were, like, sitting there, planning our future together.
We had our little morning and evening calls,
and then all of a sudden,
he goes, "You're being needy.
And I don't like this." Click.
And he hung up on me.
Five days later,
I get a text message
and, um, he's like, "Hey, can we talk?"
And then he goes into this whole thing. Like,
he said, "You know,
I don't think I can be with you
because you obviously don't have motherly instincts,
and I have a child."
You know, when I think about all the good stuff
and all the good times,
it's hard to just forget that,
because this was something that was
so fulfilling for me.
-Yeah. -[Vanja] And the fact that,
you know, we were even intimate and everything.
I mean, that's just...
That makes this whole thing even so much [bleep] worse.
[Shaun] Josko,
would you say that was an accurate representation
of the conversation you two had?
I mean, that was her perspective.
-I think, uh... -[Vanja chuckles softly]
...we were talking like twice a day, every single day, and then
not a single time that, uh,
she would ask me about,
uh, how my kid was doing.
And that's not someone
I would like to spend a life with, you know.
And what she mentioned,
like, uh,
that I hung up the phone.
The previous night, my kid was sick.
And the next day she kind of...
[Vanja] No, you did not.
You just hung up the phone on me.
You said, "I'm going to get rid of my child.
I'm gonna get rid of my responsibilities
and my job and everything.
And I'm gonna just dedicate all of my time to you,"
which is not what I asked for.
I just said, "We don't get to see each other.
All we have is the phone calls,
and I would appreciate it
if we actually kept our communication going."
That's all I said.
And then you just called me needy and hung up on me.
That was unnecessary.
Here's what you have to understand.
I got to the point where we were
trying to figure out which room in the house was gonna be
the kid's room and how my life would change.
I was gonna give up my dance room
and make it into a child's room and everything.
He knows that I was trying to make
the strides in the right direction.
He just ended things.
Just to go back to the whole intimacy almost immediately thing.
You know, on the one hand,
Bozo took too long.
On the other hand,
he drove right up in there.
-[laughs] -[Niles] That's...
There needs to be a balance here.
-[Adnan] Yeah. -[Niles] Isn't that right, Mat?
There was time between
when we saw each other in Croatia and in Orlando.
-[Niles] All right, well... -Nothing in Croatia.
-I retract... I retract my previous statement then. -Nothing in Croatia.
Yeah. [laughs]
So how was sex with Josko
-after all of that anticipation? -Oh, my God.
It was great.
Uh, when you have, uh, such an amazing connection
with someone, of course, you know,
the feelings come out and it's just magical.
[Shaun] Which one of these relationships
really frustrates you the most, or,
you know, just leaves you with the most questions?
[Vanja] Uh, I mean...
[sighs] I think they're both frustrating in their own way,
but that one hurts more.
-You gave more to him, and that's why that one hurts. -[Vanja] Yes. Yes.
Oof!
[exhales]
What's got you so emotional?
It's just being intimate with somebody,
for me, is a big deal.
And the fact that he got that from me, it...
I don't... I don't know if I want to say
I want to take him back,
but I wish I didn't.
You make her feel used.
That's what it sounds like.
[Shaun] Well, let me ask Josko.
Uh, Josko, there is this feeling that
you used Vanja.
[Sanela] Mm-hmm.
[Shaun] What will you say to that?
[Josko] Uh, I completely disagree.
I mean, when I was coming to Orlando, we were just, uh,
extending on what we built back in Croatia,
and I didn't come with a thought
to break up with her or to end the relationship.
I didn't realize that
my kid is gonna cry after I leave him.
So I didn't come to Orlando with the thought,
"Oh, I'm gonna have sex, and then I'm gonna break up with her."
That's completely unrealistic.
-[chuckles] -[Josko speaking]
Wow, thank you for sharing.
-Wow. -[Vanja] That's...
That's very classy.
Very classy. Very classy.
Unnecessary.
Very unnecessary.
Okay. I wasn't... I wasn't gonna go here
because this is very emotional for me.
But I'm gonna share it now that you shared that.
Without my knowledge,
he took a video of us
while we were being intimate.
What?
[Adnan clicks tongue]
-[Ingrid sighs] -[Joe] Oh, wow.
That's not good, Josko.
[Shaun] Vanja, did you return to Croatia
after Josko visited you in Orlando?
We talked about it before we...
You wanted to have sex with her?
Hey, please have some respect, please.
I don't want you to ever tell me about respect ever again.
[Shaun] Does anybody here think
there are any feelings between
Veah and Rory?
Honestly, guys...
It just seems to me like life doesn't exist without Rory.
It's weird.
Who does that? In reality, who does that?
[Vanja] Without my knowledge,
he took a video of us
while we were being intimate.
What?
Without my consent,
without my knowledge,
violated my privacy, my body.
So unacceptable.
And he thought it was an okay, cool thing to do.
He was proud of himself for doing it.
How did you find out? He told you?
He told me right after. He's like, "Look what I did.
Oh, wow.
What made you think she was gonna take that very well?
Josko, is that true?
-It is not okay. -[Niles] What made you think that was something to do?
That was something you should be doing?
One thing to talk about it,
one thing to do it without letting me know what you're doing.
[Shaun] Okay, Josko,
you took a video
of you and Vanja having sex without her consent.
Is that correct?
Uh...
Yes, I did.
That's not circulating anywhere, is it?
Well, I made him delete it.
We talked about it, uh, before,
and it was something that, in my head,
kind of, uh,
I developed a story about the consent,
but it wasn't there.
Once she saw it, she was completely devastated.
And I apologized multiple times.
It's not something that you do.
It's not something how you treat a woman.
I did it to spice things up between us.
I think you know what the word yes and no means.
if you don't get a yes or a no, you don't know.
So therefore, because you didn't know,
you shouldn't have proceeded.
I completely agree.
[Shaun] And you've deleted it,
and you have deleted it from the cloud. Is that correct?
Exactly. Yeah.
[Vanja crying] And this is, you know... People are always,
"Why have you been single so long?
Why have you been celibate so long?"
It's because the second I give somebody a chance,
something like this happens.
You can't trust anyone.
This is awful.
It's unacceptable.
-It's not normal. -[Vanja] It's not.
Of course. It's not legal too.
-[Vanja] No. -I know.
Josko, for
the record, just here,
would you like to apologize to Vanja
for making that video without her consent?
[Vanja sniffles]
Uh, yes, Vanja, I'm terribly sorry.
That's something that, uh,
kept me awake a lot of days.
It's not something that, uh, I'm proud of.
It was... It was...
It was my... It was a mistake.
It was something that I should not have done.
I violated your privacy. Uh,
I violated your trust, and I'm deeply sorry.
I... I could not find words
to describe how sorry I am because of that.
Vanja, I'm so sorry
that you went through that.
That was an awful violation.
-Yeah. -[Shaun] A terrible violation.
Thank you.
Life goes on.
[Shaun] Vanja, did you return
to Croatia after Josko visited you in Orlando?
Yes.
Because the feelings were real.
There is no question about that.
I was completely heartbroken after it ended.
What were you hoping?
[Vanja] Well, I mean, I went back
hoping that things could
potentially get reconciliated.
We had a fun time. We hung out on the beach.
But obviously went nowhere.
[Joe] Was there any physical attention
when you guys hung out?
[Vanja] When he dropped me off at my car,
we did kiss.
Oh, [bleep].
Was it a little smooch, or was it
-a "kiss" kiss? -It was a make out session.
-[Shaun] It's a make out session. -Make out session.
[Shaun] Ah. Okay.
Josko, why did you agree to meet Vanja
when she visited Croatia again?
I mean, she came all the way from Orlando
to, uh,
to explore the country, and she mentioned that
she would like to see me,
and I wanted to see her, too.
You wanted to have sex with her?
[laughs]
Hey, please have some respect, please.
-[Adnan speaking] -[Tigerlily] What?
I don't want you to ever tell me about respect ever again.
[Josko exhales]
[Shaun] Josko?
Josko, can you hear me?
He can hear you. He just doesn't want to talk because he knows he's wrong.
Yeah, I got cut off when I was saying
because there are some rude people in the studio,
but I will continue talking.
[Shaun] Josko, is that true?
Did you guys kiss the last time she was there?
[Josko] Uh, yeah.
Vanja, did that give you some hope?
Um, no,
because I ended up going back to Split,
uh, a couple of days later
and I told him that I was back
if he wanted to hang out again,
and he said no because of what happened.
Because of the kiss, he didn't want to meet me again.
[Josko] That's what I said.
When you have a relationship and then
you meet again
and then you do something physically,
it gives you maybe a false hopes
for one of us.
And I just I thought that it would be smarter
that we don't see each other because of that.
[Sanela] Josko, do you still have feelings for Vanja?
If I'm going to meet someone in first time
and I come with my ex,
it's like I'm literally destroying everything, you know?
No. Hell, no.
I see your picture. You're so happy you're next to him.
The picture was a little cuddly.
Would you consider that a wise decision,
with your brain completely engaged here?
You're talking to me like I'm stupid, first off, Niles, and I'm not stupid.
[Sanela] Josko, do you still have feelings for Vanja?
Um, there is definitely physical attraction,
and that's completely undeniable. I mean...
Uh, do I love her?
At this point, no.
But,
you know, I just wish all the best for you, for...
You're just very capable,
very beautiful,
very amazing woman of so many talents,
and, uh, I wish you all the best.
-Vanja, you are crying over there. -[Vanja crying]
-[Shaun] Again. -This is the story of my life.
It's heartbreaking
because I give my all in a relationship.
And then the other person
doesn't want to pursue things with me anymore.
And it's...
it's very disappointing
to know that I keep giving and giving,
and I get this in return.
[Brian] Then you've got to ask yourself why.
-And then if it takes you to look in the mirror... -I don't think
this is... I don't think
-this is on me. -[Brian] I'm not saying to blame yourself
-for it, but... -Yeah.
...you know, in the end, we do have to look at the choices we make.
And then we create our own problems, right?
Listen, I am perfectly happy with who I am.
It's just... It's a shame that I just keep running
into these situations where I am
coming across wrong people for me.
[Niles] I felt the exact same way.
Just when things looked the darkest for me,
-I found Matilda. -[Vanja] Yeah.
[Niles] I felt like I was doing all the right things.
And you know what? You are.
-You are doing all the right things. But... -[Vanja] Thank you.
...if this man just decided he was gonna do you wrong,
-nothing you can do about that. -[Vanja] Yeah.
[Salena] She gave you her heart
and you just throw it away
like it's a piece of [bleep].
[Josko] Um...
I had, uh,
really good intentions with her.
It didn't work out, but I'm glad we tried.
She's, uh, gorgeous, she's amazing
and that, uh, I wish for her to meet someone
that, uh, will, uh, respect her
and love her more than more than me,
and definitely more than Bozo.
-[Shaun] Sanela, we really appreciate you... -Thank you.
...taking the time to speak with us.
Uh, we can tell that you love your cousin very much.
Thank you so much.
-[all laughing] -[Shaun] See you.
Vanja, Bozo and Josko,
we hope all of you will learn from this experience.
Good luck to each of you finding love in the future.
Thank you so much, Shaun.
-Thank you. Thank you, thank you. -Thank you.
Okay, I want to loop back in now
with Veah and Sunny.
A huge source of conflict between Sunny and Veah
was her decision to bring her ex-boyfriend, Rory, to South Africa,
and while the goal was for him to make Veah's trip easier,
that's not exactly how things went down.
I'm literally going there
in hopes that he's going to propose.
Don't you think that's kind of soon?
No, because we've been on video chat for the past year.
I think it's important if I meet him,
just to get a feel for him,
and if I think he's a scumbag, then he'll hear about it.
Hi, Rory.
[Veah] Yeah, I don't have long.
So now I just feel really bad and really guilty
for not telling him about you.
Right.
[Veah] Everything's going so well.
Like, I don't know, maybe I shouldn't tell him.
[Veah] Okay. I just really need
to get off the phone right now.
Sunny's gonna come back with our tea soon,
and I don't want him to see me video chatting you.
-Hi, baby. -I'm back.
Sunny ends up just snatching my phone up
out of my freaking hands,
and seeing a picture of me and Rory
on the airplane coming to South Africa.
And I just never wanted him to find out like this.
[Sunny speaking]
[Veah] I'm not.
[Sunny speaking]
-Sunny. -[Sunny speaking]
-[Veah] Stop! -[Sunny] Don't [bleep] follow me.
-I don't want to talk. -[Veah] Come back.
-I don't wanna even see your [bleep] face. -Stop.
[Sunny speaking]
Just I'm done with you.
[Veah] I don't want to lose you.
I want you. [sighs]
[Sunny speaking]
[exhales]
[Shaun] Whoa! Okay, Sunny,
what is your reaction
to the interaction between Veah and Rory?
It was pissing me off because I was super jealous,
because who does that?
In reality, who does that?
If I'm going to meet someone in first time
and I come with my ex,
it's like I'm literally destroying everything, you know.
I was groaning and twisting and like covering my face
because what if he did the same damn thing?
What if he did the same thing?
It would be just disaster.
But he's supposed to accept that and be like, "Okay."
I think it's just a horrible way to start a relationship.
So I was using a lot of bad words,
and I know that I'm not that type of person.
But if you're in my shoes, you're gonna do the same thing.
Veah, just give us some clarity there.
Why was it important for you
to bring Rory with you,
as opposed to someone else?
So ultimately, it just worked out.
It wasn't that I didn't ask other people.
It was just that nobody else could really go with me at the time.
I see your picture. You're so happy you're next to him.
Um, no, I never did that.
No. Hell no.
Now that he said that, the picture was a little cuddly.
Was with love, right? With love.
[Vanja] I mean, when you take a picture,
you're gonna be next to each other,
taking a picture.
If I travel with my security guard, it ain't gonna be all cuddly.
You're coming to playing with the guy's feelings.
I... I'm definitely not playing with his feeling.
Hey, Mat, how do you think you would have handled that,
if I showed up with my ex-girlfriend?
Even I know that's one of those social cues
that, you know,
you just shouldn't be doing that.
[sniffles]
Would you consider that a wise decision
with your brain completely engaged here
with logic taking front and center?
You're talking to me like I'm stupid, first off, Niles,
and I'm not stupid.
Let's just make that clear.
I didn't say-- I didn't mean to say that.
Do I regret bringing Rory to South Africa?
No, I do not.
How on earth did she catch me talking to the girl
who's like on the other side of the parking lot?
You just said, "Catch me."
So you know you're doing something wrong.
You know she's not gonna like that,
but you did it anyway.
[Esther] I mean, you just don't like him.
Esther, let me just stop you right there.
You're making yourself look worse when you say that.
No, you guys are not listening.
You guys are actually attacking him.
Do I regret bringing Rory to South Africa?
No, I do not.
Okay. Let's hear from him right now.
Connecting from Ohio,
please welcome Rory.
Oh, yeah.
[Shaun] Hi, Rory.
How are we doing?
Hi, Rory.
I have one question. What's the reason you broke up with her?
[Rory] Um...
and, uh...
Oh, your door, your door open.
-[Adnan] Your door opened. -[chuckles]
[Adnan] Oh, the dog!
Uh-oh. Oh, the dog broke in.
[all laughing]
So, Rory, did you think the relationship
between Veah and Sunny would actually work out?
Were there times that you wanted them to break up?
No, I'm... Her and I are done. We're just friends.
Veah put them both in a bad situation
where both of them come out looking worse for this.
You brought your ex-boyfriend. There's only so many ways that can go.
[Rory] There was no animosity, like, going on.
There was no hidden intention.
It was-- My goal was literally
just to get her to South Africa
without getting lost or kidnapped.
[Veah] The outcome is what I wanted.
We all get along now.
No, it wasn't even like that. Honestly.
Adnan, why do you say that?
-[Adnan] Hmm? -[Shaun] Why do you say that?
[Joey] What I don't understand
is you're pretty much embarrassing your boyfriend
because that's what it comes down to.
If Sunny is the guy you love and you want to be with,
it's a horrible look for him,
and if you love the person,
I just don't understand why you would do that.
Yeah, I agree with you.
I did make mistakes, and I've grown.
[Shaun] Does anybody here think
there are any feelings between Veah and Rory?
[Sunny] Let me tell you something, guys.
Relationship have to become from building trust.
Once we got past the fact that I don't love Rory
and he sees that, and I'm still with him,
Rory is not a problem in our relationship anymore.
[Shaun] So, Rory, Veah mentioned
that you left snide comments on Sunny's social media.
Why is that?
I never left snide comments on his social media.
Um...
It was just, uh, poking the bear essentially.
[laughing]
[Shaun] What was the picture?
[Veah] It was just multiple selfies.
So he "haha'd" them because he didn't understand
why a dude would be taking so many pictures of himself.
Sunny enjoys taking a lot of pictures of himself,
and Rory doesn't.
-Rory doesn't even like the Internet. -[chuckles]
[Veah] And Sunny spends a lot of time on the Internet.
So Rory can't understand why Sunny
takes so many pictures and posts so many pictures.
So that's what it was.
[Sunny speaking]
So she gave Rory the okay by just hanging out with him.
"Oh, it's okay, it's nothing."
But really, it is something because now you've got
your ex-boyfriend poking at your bear
just to [bleep] with him.
And you gave him that.
But that was Rory decision.
She didn't have anything to do with that.
Well, she continued the relationship with the ex,
and then present him into a new relationship.
But she can't control what he does.
I have no regrets
bringing Rory as my friend into my relationship.
You don't, but I bet he does.
No, I'm feeling good right now,
because me and Veah,
we standing in a good position.
[Shaun] All righty. Well, Rory,
thank you for providing us with your insight
into Sunny and Veah's relationship.
We appreciate you being here.
My pleasure.
Veah and Sunny,
you have overcome some major hurdles in your relationship,
and we hope you overcome any future challenges that you face as well.
[Veah and Sunny] Thank you.
Now I want to look back in with Loren and Faith,
and we're going to bring back Esther.
He will be under attack.
And I'm here to have his back
because I feel like he's just misunderstood.
He's not the villain that everyone thinks he is.
-All right. -[man] Thank you.
Esther, thank you so much for rejoining the conversation.
I want to go back to something that happened on Loren's trip.
So, after promising Faith that he would be devoted to her,
Faith's friends spotted Loren
flirting with someone at a bar.
Let's look back at that incident.
[speaking Tagalog]
I just want to tell you...
my best friend saw you
that you were flirting someone else.
I don't think so.
Who?
I don't know who is that?
You're flirting with a drag queen.
I just act the way I'm supposed to act with a drag queen.
-My best friend told me in that way. -I know.
But how does she know?
-I trust her. Stop it. -She's never been to--
I don't want to talk to you.
Okay.
So, when we left the bar, some guy walked up to me
and he said,
"My friend thinks you're cute," which was a girl.
I walked over to her and did one of these.
I actually did,
and I said, "Sure. You're too young for me
and I'm here to be with my beautiful girlfriend."
So I did not flirt with a drag queen.
I denied the flirting of a random girl.
Loren, you initially denied that you were flirting.
'Cause I didn't know-- She's a drag queen.
It actually wasn't a drag queen.
I was trying to connect the drag queen aspect
'cause there was a drag queen outside I didn't physically talk to.
So you thought she was talking about somebody else?
Yeah, and I'm like, "How on earth did she catch me
talking to the girl who's like on the other side of the parking lot."
You said, "Catch me."
So, you know you're doing something wrong
and hurting the person you care...
That's the definition of stupidity, right there.
Yeah. Right.
Knowing that something is [bleep] up, is wrong,
and get that you know she's not going to like that,
but you did it anyway.
[Loren] It was all a miscommunication
because I didn't understand the drag queen thing.
That was like a random, like, 18-year-old girl,
and she was flirting with me.
In order to not be rude,
I was still showing her the, like,
"Yeah, thanks for talking to me, but I'm not interested."
You said "not get caught".
Now it's "not to be rude".
He's full of [bleep].
[Esther] I mean, you just don't like him,
so I mean, you're just gonna be like, "Oh, full of [bleep]. Liar."
-Like... -[Niles] Esther.
Let me just stop you right there.
Am I?
Like, you're just like, "No, no." Like--
Guess what? Everyone else here listened to him.
We're all saying the same thing.
No, you guys are not listening.
You guys are actually attacking him.
Um, so I want to play devil's advocate.
I'm a very friendly person. I like to come up to people.
As an Eastern European,
we hug, we, you know, touch as we talk.
So, sometimes I've been accused of being flirtatious
when in reality, I'm just being, you know, friendly.
[Loren] It was supposed to be her shoulder,
but I was really drunk and I kind of stumbled,
then it became like a face touch.
[Vanja] So I'll give you that.
-And I'm just like, "Damn it." -[Vanja] I feel like it can be innocent,
but I wasn't there. I didn't see it,
-so I don't know. -Right. No one saw it.
So, Esther, who do you think is attacking Loren?
[chuckles]
Have you even said anything nice?
[Adnan] Loren, your relationship will never work.
-Never. Never, ever work. -[Esther] Why not?
-You know why? -[Esther] 'Cause he's honest right now.
You know why? Because she's looking for a man.
-But I am a man. -[Niles] No, you're not.
-[laughs] -[Niles] No, you're not.
Well, I only have one testicle.
-So I'm like half a man. If that how you really do it? -Oh, my God.
Well, what you're doing ain't right, man.
That's just wrong.
I'm sorry that you're close minded.
-I'm sorry that you're closed minded. -This is not close minded.
This is-- That's [bleep] up what he's doing.
Loren, have you and Faith
talked about how you could legally get married?
It's now legal in Thailand to get married to Faith.
No.
Did he tell you that he was planning
to take you to Thailand to get married there?
Or you have no idea?
[Vanja] Oh, my God.
A marriage is kind of a thing that you would remember.
That's [bleep] up what he's doing.
You know what? I'm not gonna open my mind to [bleep] up [bleep].
Okay. Yeah, he's not perfect, but I mean...
[Niles] I didn't say-- Neither am I.
I make mistakes too. You know what the difference is, though?
I say that, "Yeah, okay, I [bleep] up."
Because, quite frankly, I don't have the brain power
to do the mental gymnastics this man does.
It's easy for me to just say, "You know what?"
Stick up my hand and say, "I did something wrong."
-Just say, "I'm sorry." -But I have said, "I'm sorry."
-Multiple times. -[Niles] When?
I've told you I'm sorry before, right, Faith.
[Niles] Hmm.
[voice breaking]
Mmm.
If she wants to cry, let her cry.
-[Vanja] Well, she just needs to decide. -[Loren speaking]
Are you able to change?
I have. I have completely changed in every way.
If they're happy together
and they kind of chose each other back again, that's their business, man.
Loren, have you and Faith talked about,
now that you're back together,
how you could legally get married?
-Absolutely. -[Shaun] And what have you come up with?
It's now legal in Taipei and Thailand
to get married to Faith,
because it's not legal in the Philippines.
If we go there and get married, I can get a K-3.
-[Shaun] The one problem you have... -Right.
...with getting married in Thailand
is that Faith does not consider you her fiance.
Well, she has to make a choice by the time we go there.
Why would she go there if she's not sure?
It's a full-paid vacation.
She doesn't have to sleep with me or be with me.
I'll just take her just 'cause she deserves it, right.
And if she decides, you'll get married there.
Correct.
[Joey] Oh, so it's just a vacation. Not--
You don't know about the plan to get, uh,
-engaged there? -Well, that's her decision, right?
-I mean, like, I'm not gonna force her to get married. -Have you talked to her?
Yes, I talked about marriage.
[Joey] Seems like she doesn't know about it, though.
[Faith] To be honest,
it's been surprise for me.
I didn't really know what's going on.
[Joey] So he never spoke about that?
[Loren] There's no way!
I don't have my phone right now, but totally, I told you.
[Vanja] Oh, my God, a marriage is kind of a thing
that you would remember.
[Shaun] Uh, Faith,
do you see a realistic future for you and Loren?
-You know, Loren, that I really love you. -Right.
[Loren] You just had to tell me that.
Because I know you've been weird for a long time.
Why didn't you just tell me this whole time?
Because I told you every day that headache
because I'm stressing out.
I don't know how to make a decision.
So, Faith, are you ending this relationship now?
Very hard decision.
Just, Faith, this is what you're getting.
You know what I mean? This is what you're getting.
This is who Loren is.
So you have to kind of think within yourself,
is this who you want to be with?
Faith.
I think, right now, like, you need to be straight to the point.
I'm not pushing you.
Wow.
[Loren] It's a no.
[Shaun] Next time on the epic conclusion
of 90 Day Fiance: Before the 90 Days,
the couples tell all.
Okay, Brian, you and Ingrid broke up,
like in the afternoon or something,
and you went out that night?
Right?
I met somebody, um,
and we've been talking for probably eight months, more or less.
Wow.
[speaking Portuguese]
[Shaun] Well, let's meet Brian's new girlfriend.
Hello.
I can tell that you're hurt.
-I'm sorry, Loren. -Uh...
It's okay.
So where do you go from here now?
[Shaun] Joey had a pool party with his friends,
some of whom turned out to be more than just friends.
Let's take a look at this never-before-seen moment.
[bleep]
"Hooked up" means what? Sex?
Yes or no?
We're gonna get married, and we're gonna have families.
I really can't wait.
I think that's a conversation we need to have further.
Yeah. I don't know where we stand.
[Joey speaking]
[Brian speaking]
[Loren] No.
Apparently not.
As far as I can tell, Joey,
he deflected.
He literally lied.
He's supposed to be a man.
He's being a little bitch.